I don't feel I could make a better comparison between Plato's
Gorgias and Cicero's
De oratore than has already been made by Macey Richardson in her post. I agree with all of the points that she made and even found greater insight of how the two treatises relate by reading her post.
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to watch it, which is saying a lot... I'm a fan of Benedict
Cumberbatch, who plays Sherlock Holmes in the series. I think I'm a fan because the actor
has become Sherlock, he has taken on his emotions, his personality, everything that is
Sherlock Holmes, so that I actually believe him when he's acting, he's genuine because in a way
what he feels when he acts as this fictional character is probably what the writers felt as they
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In the closing paragraphs of
De oratore Cicero narrates the dialogue of Crassus, who is discussing style. But he finishes powerfully by declaring that "...delivery is the supreme factor in successful oratory." and then goes on to say that the emotions and the delivery used in oratory cannot be faked. He says that artificiality is easily and quickly detected. Many of the previous blog posts have aligned Cicero with the Sophists, which I mostly agree with. But
in the dialogue between Socrates and Gorgias in Plato's
Gorgias one of the common points brought up by Socrates his belief that it would be better for the masters of any given subject to speak about their subject instead of a professional orator, because it is more genuine. In
De oratore Cicero seems to bridge a disconnect fabricated by Socrates; good rhetoric and oratory does need genuine deliverers, but just because someone isn't a specialist in a given subject doesn't mean he or she isn't passionate about it. (However, having more knowledge about a subject definitely makes it easier to talk about that subject; notice how much shorter this blog post is than my posts about architecture... I usually have to cut stuff out of those posts because they're too long.)
It's very interesting to see Cicero draw his knowledge from so many different sources of learning, I think that is a part of what Macey was talking about in her post about the difference in the dialogue in De oratore versus the dialogue in Gorgias; the dialogue was much less biased and more open, or as Macey put it; "mature".
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you make an interesting point about socrates saying that he is the one who pointed out it is better for someone in that field to give a speech then for an orator. Cicero seems to be saying that an orator needs to be well versed in that field. Perhaps socrates would have liked cicero more then gorgias.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate how you worded in your post that Cicero's work was more mature than Aristotle's. I definitely recognized that when I read it, and I think that your summary of that detail was well stated.
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